Is there any historical Evidence Other than the bible that shows jesus excised?
Topic: Flavius josephus writing about jesus
June 20, 2019 / By Averill Question:
Is there any thing other than the bible that shows that he excised and that he did anything significant. I would like scrolls and what they say, eye witness ETC. Please site where you got your information so i can look it up for myself
Best Answers: Is there any historical Evidence Other than the bible that shows jesus excised?
Virginia | 2 days ago
A historian by definition is a person who writes or studies history, esp one who is an authority on it. A chronicler is someone who writes chronicles about events they have witnessed. Dating the gospels is very important. If it can be established that the gospels were written early, say before the year 70 A.D., then we would have good reason for believing that they were written by the disciples of Jesus Himself. If they were written by the disciples, then their reliability, authenticity, and accuracy are better substantiated. Also, if they were written early, this would mean that there would not have been enough time for myth to creep into the gospel accounts since it was the eyewitnesses to Christ's life that wrote them. Furthermore, those who were alive at the time of the events could have countered the gospel accounts and since we have no contradictory writings to the gospels, their early authorship as well as apostolic authorship becomes even more critical.
The Roman historian Tacitus (as well as his contemporary Suetonius) provides significant information about Jesus and his followers. Writing around A.D. 115, Tacitus notes that Christ was killed at the hand of Pontius Pilate while Tiberius was emperor; that Christ’s teachings had already spread to Rome; and that Christians were considered criminals and tortured in a variety of ways, including crucifixion (Annals 15:44).
Roman government officials such as Pliny the Younger and even two Caesars, Trajan and Hadrian, wrote intriguing letters mentioning Jesus and early Christian origins. Pliny, for example, writing about A.D. 112, describes weekly gatherings of early Christians (of all ages and social classes) who met before dawn, singing and worshipping Christ as Deity, and agreeing not to sin. Pliny, who required Christians be killed unless they denied Christ and worshiped the gods and emperor, asserts that true believers would not recant (Letters X:96).
Ancient Historians, These historians made reference to Jesus and to early Christians. Ancient pagans, Jews, and Christians wrote historic texts that mentioned Christ.
Eusebius of Caesarea - A third century theologian who used the library in Caesarea for much of his research.
Flavius Josephus - A first century Jewish historian who documented the Roman empire.
Justin Martyr - A Gentile who lived in Palestine and later became a Christian. This theologian used Greek philosophy to explain Christian doctrine.
Philo of Alexandria - A Jewish philosopher and historian who lived in the first century.
Tacitus - A first century Roman historian, who chronicled the lives of several emperors.
Tertullian - An African theologian who wrote extensively in Latin. He was first to use the word trinitas to describe the Godhead.
Prophecies About Jesus
Old Testament Scripture Messiah would be born of a woman: Genesis 3:15
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 1:20, Galatians 4:4
Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.: Micah 5:2
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 2:1, Luke 2:4-6
Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 1:22-23, Luke 1:26-31
Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 1:23
Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6, Zechariah 9:9
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 27:37, Mark 11:7-11
Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27-28
Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16, Zechariah 12:10
New Testament Fulfillment John 20:25-27
Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10, Psalm 49:15
New Testament Fulfillment Matthew 28:2-7, Acts 2:22-32
Messiah would ascend to heaven . Psalm 24:7-10
New Testament Fulfillment Mark 16:19, Luke 24:51
Baptized in Jesus Name according to Acts 2:38
My faith in the One who died for me
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Originally Answered: Is there any historical evidence of jesus?
In the past, only violent people have been famous people. Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Nadir Shah, Tamerlane, Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler -- these are not men but wolves. History is full of the names of wolves. Up to now, human history has been that of the animal in man, not of the divine in man. Even if the divine has been expressed, it has not yet become part of history.
Jesus is still a myth. There are millions who doubt that he ever existed; there is no historical proof. Buddha also seems to be a myth. And the farther back you go -- Krishna, Lao Tzu, Zarathustra -- the more mythological they become. The reason is because they represented the divine in man, and our whole history takes note only of the violent, of the inhuman, of the subhuman, of the animal. The divine belongs to the future.
Jesus' recorded life was very poor because his followers were obsessed with history. They could not write anything that was beyond history.
The eastern mind could see that we cannot do justice to Krishna or Buddha if we limit ourselves to bare events. This will be an injustice because the real has happened somewhere else. Then how to record the real?
It cannot be recorded. But, we can create a myth. And that myth can indicate, can show something about it. Those who will read the myth will not read a bare statement of events. They will go deep into the poetry of the myth, deep into the imagination.
And it may be possible that somewhere, from their own imagination not from the facts -- very far from the facts, from somewhere deep in their own unconscious minds, from what Jung calls 'archetypes' -- they might get a glimpse; they may be able to know what has happened beyond history. They may be able to know, from deep down within themselves.
History cannot go deep inside you. Only poetry can. But only from within you can something happen which will be in sympathy with the nontemporal, which can be in communion with the nonhistorical. Krishna's life and Buddha's life are only jumping points to enable you to go deeply inside yourself.
Eastern concept is nearer to truth than the Western, because every movement is in a circle. The earth moves in a circle, the sun moves in a circle, the stars move in a circle, the life moves in a circle -- every movement is circular. So time cannot be an exception; if time moves at all, it moves in a circle. The linear concept of time is absolutely wrong.
That's why in the East we were never interested in history. We have been interested in myth, but never in history. The West introduced history into the world. That's why Jesus became the center of history, the beginning of the calendar. We go on measuring time with "before Christ," "after Christ." Christ became the center of all history, the first historic person.
Buddha is not historic, Krishna is not at all; you can never be certain whether really Krishna was ever born or not, whether the whole thing was just a story or a history. But the East was never worried about it. They say everything is a story, and it has been told many times and will be told again and again. There is no need to be concerned with facts, because facts are repetitive. It is better to be concerned with the theme, not with the facts -- so you may not be able to understand many things.
This is really strange: Jesus is not even mentioned in history books of those days. They killed this man and they have not even mentioned him. He must have been too dangerous for them. He must have been significant enough; otherwise, who bothers to crucify a man? Still the history books of those days don't mention him; he has been ignored. All that we know about him is through his disciples. Hence it is very suspicious whether he was a historical person or not. Hence there are people who go on believing that he is just a myth.
I can't name direct sources, but I do know there have been records recovered from people that mentioned Jesus as a man doing the miraculous. These people that wrote the documents were not believers but they made mention of Christ. All I can say about records telling about Biblical events is they were probably all lost or destroyed. No one really paid to have a scribe copy the writing of some event that had been written in their "National Enquirer", as you said. The Bible has been copied by scribes who dedicated their lives to copying. These guys were professionals, and that is seen by how the Dead Sea Scrolls matched up perfectly with the translations we have today. There are over 5,000 articles of the Bible that have been found, more than any ancient book ever. R.V.T. put it very nicely.
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There are other sources outside of the Bible, though atheists have also been able to cast doubt on them as well. The majority and consensus in the science community is that Jesus existed, though the miracles and stories in the Bible can't be proven.
Now, let's ask why that is? Well, first there was countless fires throughout Rome's history that destroyed numerous documents, as well as complete destruction by the Germanic tribes to begin the Dark Ages. We do know (from copies of Roman books we have been able to find not destroyed) within 30 years after the supposed Jesus, there was enough Christians a few thousand miles away from Jerusalem in Rome that Nero blamed the Great Fire of 66AD on Christians. Definitely looks like the movement took off like fire. The Romans even knicknamed these people "Christians" which means "Little Christs," so obviously based on someone they called Christ.
But eyewitnesses are hard to prove, since dead people don't currently talk back. And ancient cultures didn't really think about completely writing every detail down for generations 2 thousand years in the making. Most Christians didn't think there was really that much time at all, they were worried about spreading the good news (or the Greek word, gospel). Obviously the stories we do have of Jesus were incorporated into a book they called the Bible, so that's what you get. (Other stories of Jesus exist too).
EDIT:: lol, some of these comments are priceless! Birth records, death records? Rome didn't consider Jews people, let alone citizens. They hated Jews anyways since they never would allow their God to be installed in the pantheon. They didn't really rule Judea, they installed their dummy govt to rule, and they didn't want to be bothered. (Does anyone remember Rome was going thru a lot, and they were concentrated at quashing my germanic forefathers around the Rhine river. Judea didn't get their attention until about 60 years later, with Vespasian and Titus.
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The word you wanted is "existed". Check your dictionary, "excised" means something else entirely.
There is a book called the "Didache", check it on Google, I have a copy in a book on the "Lost Gospels". It is a collection of the sayings of Jesus that was used by the early Jewish followers of Jesus, who considered him a great Rabbi and teacher (but NOT "divine"). The first gospel, that of Mark builds a biography around that, but Mark was written a generation after Jesus, so all we really have are the sayings.
@Guy Withagrin, sorry, but the "Josephus" text is a clear-cut forgery inserted many years after the original writings. Virtually ALL biblical scholars agree that it is bogus.
Blessings on your Journey!
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When men at the top fear losing money, power and status, they'll do anything to keep selling any snake oil (religion) to keep the show on the road. And the people are all ignorant and uneducated, they'll believe anything told them, if the majority of the herd believes it. Sheep, and jesus is the sheperd, go figure. lol
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Originally Answered: Is there any legitimate historical evidence of Jesus Christ?
Legitimate? What about the four writers of the gospels, plus Paul, James, and Peter? That's seven eye witnesses right there? Why do people discount the Bible as a historical record? If it were some other first century text, no one would question it, but because the Bible is a colation of 66 books all pointing to Jesus, it is "of questionable origins." Hogwash!