Evidence of the jesus of history?
Topic: Earliest writing about jesus
May 22, 2019 / By Catrina Question:
I tried to ask this before and Yahoo deleted it within a few hours, without comment.
I ask as a Christian who likes history, not as some atheist. To repeat, is there any objective third party evidence that Jesus lived, outside of the NT and spurious other gospels?
Best Answers: Evidence of the jesus of history?
Anne | 3 days ago
There's no objective evidence that Jesus ever existed and no objective evidence that he didn't. The same is true of many Biblical figures and most other people who lived in that place and time.
All of the written references to Jesus that we know of were written after his death. Even the oldest of the gospels date to the time when people of Jesus' generation would have been very old or dead. The earliest writings we have that make any reference to Jesus are those of Paul and of the historian Josephus, neither of whom ever met Jesus before the crucifixion. At the time of Jesus' ministry, Paul would have been very young and Josephus a child or not even born. Both of their writings have much more to say about the early Christian movement than about Jesus himself.
In short, history doesn't prove or disprove the existence of Jesus. What it proves is the existence of Christianity dating from the first century CE. That so many people did talk and write about Jesus suggests that he existed, but from a historical point of view, who he was and what he did may or may not match all the stories about him. In that respect, he's like other figures who, according to history, most likely existed but the records are shaky and the stories about them have the quality of myths and legends... such as King Arthur or Robin Hood.
If you believe in Jesus as the messiah, Son of God, etc., then he is that for you. History and religion are not the same thing. Stories and people don't have to be historically true to have religious value.
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Originally Answered: Evidence that Jesus existed?
It wasn't Josephus who did the forging, the forgery was attributed to Josephus, but was not by him.
The earliest texts in the New Testament were by Paul. The Gospels were written after 70 AD.
Read Karen Armstrong, an Agnostic who is quite surprised to find herself writing about religion still. Why? She is very good at explaining how and why Objectivity as a modern concept which requires easy access to records -- something which did not exist in Roman Times. So the idea of "objective" evidence of the gospels is laughable whether you are a Christian or not -- though for some of us objectivity is harder to accept than God.
The NT, the "spurious" other gospels the writings of Josephus and the various places around Bethlehem and Jerusalem which were established by Constantine's mother Helen ARE sufficient evidence that Jesus existed. They also tie in with the consistency between the gospels and the accounts of figures like Rabbi Hillel. You can still demand too many i's dotted and t's crossed. Frankly no. You don't talk about "objectivity" before the advent of printing in the fifteenth century.
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There is no proof.
As well, you are in the wrong forum. Go to Religion &spirituality. Please read the Yahoo community guidelines on posting in correct categories
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Originally Answered: Brief description of the evidence for jesus christ?
There's nothing you could actually call "evidence".
No birth records, no death records, no trial records-- the Romans & the Jews were meticulous record keepers. Other executions and other messiah candidates at the time were recorded, no mention of Jesus.
No primary sources-- we have no writings by Jesus.
No confirmable secondary sources-- there is much dispute about when and where the gosples were written. No one else ever wrote about Jesus. No one wrote about the amazing things supposedly going on over in the middle east with some guy raising the dead and turning water into wine.
No physical remains-- no body, no bones, no grave, no belongings, no carpentry, etc.
No evidence of anyplace called Nazareth or Bethlehem existing 2000 years ago in the region.
No evidence of a census in that place or year.
First writings of Jesus we could confirm were from Josephus, which were later proven to be fraud. Even so, it was tertiary at best, decades after the alleged life & death of Jesus.
First writings mentioning Jesus we can actually rely on were from Tacitus-- again, hearsay at best and decades after the fact.