A question for Jehovah's Witnesses (others welcome) - According to Watchtower teaching?
Topic: Writing letter in bible as gift
July 23, 2019 / By Anastacia Question:
...when Abraham is resurrected from the dead to live on paradise earth during the thousand year judgment day,
there is a possibility that he might fail to gain eternal life through disobedience to Jehovah, correct?
So, Abraham has to pass through what is essentially a 1000-year trial period to prove himself faithful to Jehovah
even though, according to Genesis 22:9-19, Abraham already showed himself willing to sacrifice HIS OWN SON in order to obey God.
I mean, how much more does someone have to prove?
Furthermore, in Hebrews 11:35-38, we have listed all those faithful ones who suffered greatly in loyalty to Jehovah.
According to the Watchtower, they will be resurrected with the OPPORTUNITY to gain eternal life (finally) if they prove faithful for a further 1000 years.
Doesn't sound much like a GIFT (Romans 6:23) to me...
Or perhaps the Watchtower have it wrong concerning the resurrection?
After all, in Daniel 12:2, it is written -
"And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of the dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] indefinitely lasting abhorrence." (NWT)
No mention of a further trial for the righteous or a second chance for the unrighteous there.
And Luke 20:27-36 clearly shows that resurrectees who were under the OLD covenant (vv.28-33) will be resurrected and no longer be able to die, period (v.36) No mention of a further trial there, either.
Your thoughts, please?
Polite and concise answers preferred. Please refrain from cut n paste.
Thanks in advance. All caps for emphasis, btw.
Steve t - Thanks for your time.
Abraham did die without getting the full reward because, as Hebrews 11:40 clearly shows,
"as God foresaw something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us." (NWT)
Faithful OT believers and all NT Christians share in the SAME resurrection.
Luke 20 clearly shows that Jesus responded to a question on people who were under the OLD covenant. And He said that they CANNOT die anymore, following their resurrection.
Steve, please be sure to research THE BIBLE and not the Watchtower. Sincerely pray, and may God guide you into all truth.
Truthbknown - Thanks for your time.
Nowhere does the Bible teach that people are "acquitted" from sin once they die. Even the Pharisees who blasphemed the Holy Spirit and committed an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31,32) were clearly one day going to give an account for every careless word spoken (vv.34-37).
The WT interpretation of Romans 6:7 shows no regard for the metaphorical nature of Paul's discourse in Romans 6:1-11, which primarily concerns the Christian's metaphorical death to sin. Please read it through. You need to consider context if you are to have a correct interpretation of the verse.
The NASB rendering of Rom. 6:7, "for he who has died is FREED from sin,"
i.e freed from it's domineering power
is far more appropriate for the context.
Best Answers: A question for Jehovah's Witnesses (others welcome) - According to Watchtower teaching?
Webster | 3 days ago
You are absolutely correct.Unfortunately the JW's as well as the Mormon's LDS have fallen away from the canonized word f God as found in the Bible and have taken what was written by some misinformed people as their Gospel,it's very sad. Paul in his letters to the various churches of the day warned Christians to not fall into this heresy and remain true to God's word.Jesus said,
" I am the way,the truth and the life.No one comes to the Father accept through Me." John 14:6 Believe and be saved through the blood of Christ Jesus.Thank you brother for the question,it's very relevant to staying on track in your faith.
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Originally Answered: Do Jehovah's Witnesses accept only the teachings of the Watchtower?
@ 'Princess Yum Yum' who stated in part and I quote:
"So, the honest answer to your main question is they accept the teachings of the Bible as interpreted for them by the Governing Body through their literature. I have their booklet "What Does The Bible Really Teach" but it really should be renamed to "What Does the New World Translation of the Bible Really Teach." That is because their translation of the Bible has been altered to fit in with their doctrines."
Really? Is it because the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (the NWT) has been altered to fit in with "our" doctrines or rather, is it that the Bible translation(s) that YOU have grown accustomed to have been altered to fit in with the doctrines of Christendom that has for CENTURIES misled people into believing that it represents genuine Christianity when the evidence shown by the works in the overwhelming vast majority of it's clergy and members prove otherwise?
Case in point sweetie, lets take John 1:1 of the NWT which translates the GREEK text into showing that rather than being God THE Almighty, "the Word" (Jesus Christ) was "a god"... and I quote:
"In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
~ John 1:1 (NWT)
Is THAT one of the things you're referring to 'Princess Yum Yum'?
Newsflash, are YOU even aware that *MANY* other respected Bible translators have translated Bible's that read equal to and or very similar to the way in which John 1:1 is translated in the NWT?
The year 311 (1,700 YEARS AGO!!!):
"And a god was the word"
The Sahidic Coptic Translation: http://bit.ly/9xNAvX ; http://bit.ly/di3l8a
The year 1808:
"and the word was a god."
The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text.
The year 1864:
"and a god was the word."
The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.
The year 1928:
"and the Word was a divine being."
La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
The year 1935:
"and the Word was divine."
The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
The year 1946:
"and of a divine kind was the Word."
Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.
The year 1950:
"and the Word was a god."
New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
The year 1958:
"and the Word was a God."
The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.
The year 1975:
"and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word."
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.
The year 1978:
"and godlike kind was the Logos."
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.
Um... Were ALL of these many OTHER Bible translations just as "altered" as the NWT as far as YOU'RE concerned 'Princess Yum Yum'?... ESPECIALLY # 1 (The Sahidic Coptic Translation) which is 1,700 YEARS OLD, which is older than pretty much ALL Bible translations which correspond to the English language / dialect)?!
Try educating yourself to the FACTS before stating untruths that YOU ERRONEOUSLY THINK are true, but aren't.
To answer the askers question more fully, the Watchtower Bible Tract Society is simply a legal religious corporation that is used by Jehovah’s Witnesses which was incorporated in 1884 in accordance with the Nonprofit Corporation Law of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, U.S.A. Jehovah has had Witnesses long BEFORE the establishment of the WBTS, He has Witnesses during the existence of the WBTS and He will continue to have Witnesses long AFTER the WBTS has served it's purpose and is no longer around.
The Watchtower magazine is simply a Bible based study aid publication, it IS NOT the Bible itself nor does it take the place of the Bible in any way, shape, fashion or form. In our so called "modern" time for those who are God's "true worshipers" through Christ (John 4:23, 24), at Matthew 24:3, 45-47 Jesus Christ said that he would have on earth a “faithful and discreet slave” (his anointed followers with the heavenly calling viewed as a group), through which agency he not only would provide spiritual food to those making up the household of the true faith but would also appoint said agency over ALL of his royal domestics as well as over ALL of his belongings on earth in general.
Out of ALL the professed so called "Christian" religious groups on planet earth, ONLY, and I repeat O-N-L-Y Jehovah’s Witnesses FULLY recognize and SUBMIT to this arrangement. While there are various religious groups professing Christianity that do have bits and pieces of Truth in their publications, ONLY the material from Christ's faithful and discreet slave is AUTHORIZED by God through Christ as the sole channel for feeding the sheep the Truth.
Simple as that.
Ciao and Agape! :-)
Can we give a concise answer to such a long question?
Many, yes, had been faithful to Jehovah in past times!
Proving their loyalty! There is going to be a resurrection
of the righteous and unrighteous as you do say!
However, why would such a forgiving God resurrect someone
unrighteous just to punish them again? The wages for sin is
death! Ro 6:23! Therefore, when they died they were aqcuited
from their previous sins. Or dont you believe this scripture?
So their second chance to amend their ways in the resurrection
is a "gift from God"!
As regards the Righteous like Noah, Abraham etc right up to
John the baptist. They died BEFORE Jesus provided that ransom.
So although some were given the promise of the 'seed' through
their line of ancestry! They had NOT been redeemed by that
"gift" by the time they died the "first time" round! Hence, they
were still under that adamic inherited sin till their death!
And would have sinned in some way against God despite
their genuine loyalty!
So, being resurrected again they therefore can benefit from
that provision that Jesus gave to all mankind (exercising faith)!
For instance as an example, you buy a gift for someone.
Then, that shop as a sale a week later and that gift is now
much cheaper! Do you have a consumer right to a refund of
the difference in price? No! you dont!
To benefit from the sale cut prices you need to buy during the
sale! Not before!
And just because we that was born "after" Jesus's death do
benefit straight away does not mean those who died "before"
the ransom was provided by Jesus, did benefit from it?!
But no doubt as you mention most, if not all, of them WILL
gain that gift of everlasting life on a paradise earth.
But each ones LOYALTY will have to be proven "without sin" as
they will NOT be under adamic sin like before!
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The gift is an opportunity to live in the conditions that Adam lost. Abraham's life didn't even come close to this. The fact that Abraham went to the lengths he did showed him extremely faithful. But as you showed in Hebrews, he died without getting the full reward. The opportunity to live forever is that reward. Just like any gift, the receiver can reject it. It is not for us to decide how Jehovah chooses to disperse that gift. The scriptures in Luke that you reference, according to our beliefs are speaking of the anointed, the 144k, that are given the gift of heavenly life. So those verses don't speak of the earthly society in the new world. But I will have to do more research to be sure about this.
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Well, after Armageddon, all those who Jehovah has allowed to live, will have the opportunity to start making the earth a beautiful paradise. 1000 years will give us all the opportunity to prove ourselves. Although you say Abraham has done enough, what if he got bored and decided he was fed up of serving Jehovah? all the people on the earth after Armageddon will be imperfect. We will all be working up to perfection, perfection doesn't come instantly.
We all have to prove that our Hearts lie with the true God Jehovah, and not the wicked Devil, Satan.
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Jehovah's Witnesses have their own version of the bible - a corrupt version which says what their founder wanted to believe. He then taught his followers that he believed what the bible taught.
Read a 'real' bible and study it for yourself. You need no help from J.W.s who will be answerable for this 'folly'.
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Originally Answered: Jehovah's Witnesses. Were Christians right not to believe the Watchtower about 1874 Jesus?
Have you ever played the family game called by many, "I Spy"? Others call it hide the thimble.
A small item, a thimble, is placed in plain site in a room while the seekers for it are in another room. Then they troupe in and try to find the thimble which is hidden in plain site. Yes a childrens game. But it can teach us about your question.
Look at this verse in Colossians. "Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge."___Col 2:3
Starting years before 1874, a group of Bible students began a systematic study of the Bible. During the course of their study they came to a number of conclusions about the Bible. Most of what they concluded have proven to be correct. But there were other conclusions they came to that were little more than wishful thinking. Honest people all know about wrong conclusions when they firmly believe at the time they were correct.
There is conclusive proof that the large items they found are true concerning the time of the end. God's blessing has been evident in how the Bible command to preach and teach has had such worldwide success in collecting together so many millions of people of some many different language groups all unitedly together as a brotherhood.
When did Jesus turn his attention to Christians? He has been with all true Christians since the formation of the congregation in 33 CE. He has not been with the seed like ones sown by the Devil to confuse people (Mathew 13:36-43)
The question you have to answer is will you be a searcher after truth or will you imitate the weeds of Matt 13?
I see you missed the point of the thimble. They were wrong about 1874. But they thought hey were correct. Later they printed retractions, which you conveniently decided not to mention. When we make mistakes, we correct them. How many organizations claiming to teach the Bible admit and correct mistakes? JWs are the only one I have ever heard of. Have you known any?