Why won't America just get rid of "In God We Trust" and "one nation under god"?
Topic: How to write a letter to a government official
May 25, 2019 / By Jarvis Question:
Not everyone believes in god. America is not a religious based nation. Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers, believed in the separation of the church and state. Yes, I know that phrase wasn't in the Constitution, but it would do great service to the Founding Fathers if we held this nation to most of their beliefs of this nation. Early Americans fled from English religious and belief persecution, and so that they may establish a nation that has no set guided beliefs but laws. Whoever says America is a Christian nation is an ******, because this nation is made up of very diverse peoples and ethnic, religious, belief backgrounds. Yes, I know Christianity is very popular, but that does not make this nation a nation under god. It is very sad to see people transform this country into something it was not intended to be.
And this also goes out to every god, not Christianity. But there are religions out there that don't have gods. And there are also a profound number of agnostics and atheists in this country. But I do believe when this act was passed by congress in 1956 that it was referring to Christianity, if not in text, by the greater body of the ******* at Congress.
I never said the Constitution says "the separation between church and state." I just think that it was a wise phrase that Thomas Jefferson coined. Can't you people read what I have to say before you type your crap?
Yes, I do not like the fact that the United States of America has this god crap everywhere as a tool used to gain deluded supporters. Just because the idiots at Congress in 1956 and 1891 passed this into law doesn't mean it is right. A lot of the time it isn't right. Even though this doesn't affect people directly, it shows future generations that the correlation between religion and state is tolerable and it's the status quo, but that may jeopardize future freedoms. All I'm saying is that this was a stupid mistake by Congress and the Eisenhower administration to gain supporters and strengthen the fact that communism and atheism were both evil and synonymous.
God in the Pledge of Allegiance and on dollar bills should be taken off. And I do know my history, it's just that the First Amendment begins with "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", which they did. There are many religions out there, like Buddhism, which has no god in their system, so saying "one nation under god" or "In God We Trust" is kind of like lying. Then leaning towards Buddhism would kind of infringe what the Constitution says. SOMEONE SHOULD REWRITE TO CONSTITUTION FOR OUR TIMES AND RELIGION JUST MAKES EVERYTHING MORE IDIOTIC. RELIGION IS A TOOL
Best Answers: Why won't America just get rid of "In God We Trust" and "one nation under god"?
Fulke | 1 day ago
Another ill-informed person who chooses to misinterpret the 1st Amendment and the so called "Separation of Church and State" decree by Thomas Jefferson.
Most Americans have been conditioned to believe that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires a “wall of separation between Church and State.” This concept is seldom challenged today . . . but it is not actually a part of the Constitution or any of the Amendments; it did not exist until well into the twentieth century.
The establishment and free-exercise clauses of the First Amendment state: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The meaning was crystal clear to Americans for generations. Very simply, the federal government was prohibited from establishing a single national denomination above all others and secondly, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF WORSHIP.
The purpose of the First Amendment was not to protect Americans from religion, it was to protect religion from government intrusion. This “understanding” is in full and obvious accord with the purpose of the Bill of Rights to limit the federal government’s power and thereby secure the freedom of individuals and the rights of the states. The Bill of Rights was a declaration of what the federal government could not do.
The intent of the First Amendment could never have been to separate church and state. Virtually all state constitutions of that day required their elected officials to affirm belief in the Christian faith. Not one of the states would have ratified the First Amendment in violation of their constitutions had its purpose been to separate religious principles from public life.
Here is how the phrase and eventually the concept of this “wall of separation” originated.
In 1801, the Danbury Baptist Association wrote a letter to President Thomas Jefferson. They heard a rumor that a national denomination was going to be established. Jefferson responded by letter on January 1, 1802, assuring them that there was no truth to the rumor. He said, “I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”
The Danbury Baptists were apparently satisfied. They understood the “wall” to be one-directional, protecting them and other churches from possible discrimination and harm by means of a “governmental-favored denomination” status.
Jefferson’s phrase, “a wall of separation between Church and State,” has become the defining metaphor for today’s misinterpretation of the First Amendment.
Obviously, Jefferson’s letter and this phrase are not part of the First Amendment and it appears far-fetched legal “reasoning” to give it the force of law or to infer intent by the delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
I suggest you learn your history!
Even though you may have never said it was in the Constitution, you are one who chooses to purposely misinterpret the phrase in order to adhere to your agenda...as far as typed "crap" is concerned...the only so called excriment that I see is that which was spewed in the question and a few likeminded answers.
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Originally Answered: America is a Christian nation?
The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently on all U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy Hysteria.
The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.
No place in the American government has a place for any religion, of course I would not go the other way just to prove a point and remove God from our money, or the pledge of allegiance because one thing about the founding fathers, they seem to have all been young men who hated the mechanics of the church but realized that God was alive upon on the land.
Its just matter of practicality. We got it on bills, coins...etc. Would you risk tearing the country a part even more if it isn't divided already? Or just leave few words alone which no one really care about all that much. Its like just tradition or routine thing. It doesn't enforce anybody to believe in Christianity nor does the pledge or some law require you even recite the whole thing.
Its really more remnance of old America. Its not that meaningful. The constitution does specify separation of church and state. And either way nothings gona make everyone happy.
And I don't know what you mean by people transforming this country. As you said theres really growing number of non believers. Religious people still have the rights to argue for whatever it is they believe. Pretty sure calling each other ****** won't help the matter either.
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I would only hope that the people running this system are open to the spirit of God and think about what he might do before a decision is made,and as for the trinity, this has been brought about when people refer to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but when you think about it the number can be much more, when the Father works through each of us, then what would we call it (The Billionaire's) who knows, every Christian expresses them self differently, all I know is that I rebelled for a long time until I felt this big weight on my shoulders until the Fathers son Jesus, or should I say his spirit, lifted it off and I could start as a new person.
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This is just ridiculous.
I'm not a religious person myself but I have enough respect for the vast majority of Americans who are to not be so arrogant as to want to foist my beliefs on them like some misguided antitheistic fanatic.
How in the hell (intentional irony there) do a few innocent phrases hurt you in any way, shape, or form? I think you need to ask yourself honestly how confident you really are of your position if you are going to throw these kinds of tantrums over such a minor matter.
You need to learn some humility and better understand the role of a minority opinion. I have.
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People in American have been getting rid of God little by little, Hence the corruption you see, Your ignorant statement is equivalent to a man standing next to a burning house and stating that we need to get rid of water, But I don't hold it against you, Because your obviously young and ignorant and don't know any better, Also, Not everyone does believe in God, But the majority do, So your wrong, America is a religious based nation. Also, There's no such thing as separation of Church and state son, The only people who advocate such nonsense are those who misinterpret the 1st amendment, The 1st amendment has nothing to do with separation of Church and state,
Or keeping religion out of government, But government out of religion, Which had been a problem for Puritans prior to them immigrating to America, So you need to get your facts straight before spewing off and making yourself look foolish . And yes, It is very sad to see this country transformed into something it was not intended to be, And that something is a heathen Godless nation, The overwhelming majority of our founders were Christians, And even those who were not had respect for things of faith, And this is strongly indicated by each session of congress being opened with a prayer to God, So you should shut your pie hole until your better informed. God bless.
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Originally Answered: Is America a christian nation?
No, it was founded on the principals of religious freedom.
The founding fathers would vomit at such accusations.